Darren McKee joins Tom Green for a wide-ranging conversation on the evolution of radio, the shift from traditional broadcasting to the digital era, and what it takes to stay relevant in a constantly changing media landscape. From the magic of AM radio and the mystery of early broadcasters to the realities of modern sports talk, D-Mac reflects on his career, setbacks, reinvention, and the importance of authenticity. The conversation also dives into Denver sports, including the Broncos’ offseason dynamics with Sean Payton and Bo Nix, ownership stability under Greg Penner, and the championship outlook for the Nuggets and Avalanche as both teams battle injuries and depth challenges. It’s a candid, thoughtful look at media, leadership, and the current state of Colorado sports.
Darren McKee sits down with Tom Green to talk about the craft of radio, the importance of storytelling, and why the most powerful word in broadcasting is “you.” McKee shares personal stories from his early days in radio, lessons learned from being fired and rehired, and how embracing digital platforms has reshaped his career in his 50s. The discussion naturally shifts into Denver sports, with in-depth thoughts on the Broncos’ quarterback situation, Sean Payton’s leadership style, roster construction, and the urgency of winning during Bo Nix’s rookie-contract window. The episode wraps with a deep dive into the Nuggets and Avalanche, examining coaching, player development, injury management, and whether both teams have legitimate championship paths this season.
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Tom Green
Hi, there. Welcome to another edition of the other Tom green show. And today I want to talk a bit about radio. When I was a young man out on the eastern end of Long Island in the summer, the beauty for me of living out there was I could listen to radio from half the United States because of the way Am radio would skip around.
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Tom Green
And I could hear stations in Baltimore and Pittsburgh and Saint Louis and all these places better than I could hear radio coming out of New York or even Boston, which were much closer. But with that, I had this opportunity to, grow as a sports fan because you had to use your imagination back in the day, not everything was on TV.
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Tom Green
So I would listen to Chuck Thompson and Bill O'Donnell, call the Orioles game on Wbal, or I remember Joe Knox Hall, who was at one point famous for being the youngest man ever to play in the major leagues. He wasn't even 16 when he pitched at the end of World War two for the Reds. He'd do the Reds games and, he'd always wrap up the post-game show by saying, this is the old left hander rounding third and heading for home.
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Tom Green
Good night everybody. And I thought that was so cool. So I started to hear these other voices from all around the country and just grew to love the idea of radio as much as TV. You'd much rather watch a game, but when back then, when your choice was to listen to it, you get to paint the picture in your head every night.
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Tom Green
Now, sports talk radio in Denver began a little over 60 years ago, and many people describe it as Bob Martin on Kiawah. Kind of read in the paper, and he would answer questions. People would ask him, hey, are the Braves playing tonight? He'd look it up and you tell him, because if you didn't have your phone, you didn't have all that information everywhere.
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Tom Green
And of course, sports talk radio has evolved. I had my three year stint with Doug Moe and Dennis Love sports talk radio. I always like the conversational aspect of it. You know, we would field a lot of calls, but then you have people like Irvin, Joe and Dave Logan and so many people who are fixtures in the cars and on the radios of many people and, radio continues to evolve now, but sports talk radio continues as well.
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Tom Green
It's spreading out into digital formats and podcasts and all that. So today we're going to talk a lot about radio with a guy who has been involved in it for a long time. He's one of Denver's favorites. Dimock is here. We'll talk with Darren McKee today on the other Tom green show. I want to let you know again about our friends out at Golf Den.
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Tom Green
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Tom Green
You can, get some practice swings in, maybe even go play one of the exotic courses they have on their simulators. It's a great deal of fun, and it's a great way to spend your time out at the airport. Like I said, it's better than sitting around staring at the screen telling you your flight's been delayed. You can also give the gift of golf.
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Tom Green
Then just check it out. It's at golf-den.com.
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Tom Green
All right. Dimock is here. Darren McKee. Do you have similar recollections of radio days? You're younger than I am, but do you remember those days?
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Darren McKee
Oh, absolutely. By the way, you're. You are so good. It's. You serious? You're you're really. You're it's an honor to be here. Well, and you're an icon. And even to be invited to talk with you is really an honor for me. So I just want to say that right off the bat. Yeah. A radio has always been what I've been about.
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Darren McKee
You know, it's wild when I've never want to do anything but radio. Right. And what's amazing is how, everything has just evolved. Like this just didn't exist. The concept that we would be doing anything like this when you and I wanted to, become broadcasters as as young guys. And I'm going to assume you sort of had that itch when you were a younger person as well.
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Tom Green
Sportscaster was my first and foremost.
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Darren McKee
Even when you were nine, ten, 11 years.
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Tom Green
Exactly.
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Darren McKee
Well, I was the same exact way. But it was. And I always loved sports. And I played sports. So, you know, another three inches in height. I'd have been a Hall of Fame third baseman for the Boston Red Sox.
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Tom Green
What about somebody?
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Darren McKee
I would have been somebody. It's funny, I was on my, senior year of high school. I was hitting, like, 360, and I was like, I don't know, I'll keep an eye or something. And I was like, you know what? If I was going to be a major league player, I think I'd be a little bit better than in the Cape and league in Ipswich, Massachusetts, hitting 360.
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Tom Green
In a compact strike zone. Yeah.
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Darren McKee
So my other love besides, baseball and sports was, was radio and it was, a guy. His name was Charles Lockwood era in Boston. And he was just did for me and he played music, but he had political commentary. He had athletes on these have, like the Roger Clemens show. They would do goofy phone calls, like pranks and stuff like that.
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Darren McKee
And I got to work with Charles, for a summer in 1990 while I was in college. So that I met my hero. I really did meet my hero. And that voice in the way of communicating to me was was amazing. That's all I really wanted to be. I wanted to be the radio guy. And I thought it was Boston, but I was offered a job in Boston, and I turned it down to stay here in Denver.
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Darren McKee
That's kind of another story, but, but to be in one place. Yeah. One city, one great place. And to be on the radio for a long time, that was my goal in life. That's what I wanted to do.
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Tom Green
The guys we listened to, though, were mysteries you didn't usually see.
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Darren McKee
The radio.
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Tom Green
Guy. I always remember American Graffiti when they finally meet Wolfman Jack. Yeah, it's like, that's him. And it's it's, Lately now you see the radio person. The radio person has to have a digital presence of some sort. But it was almost better when that that lovely lady on the FM radio, you know, that you didn't necessarily see her or that guy who seems to know it all, that maybe you didn't need to see that he was just a schlub driving a skylark, you know, and and all that sort of stuff.
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Tom Green
It was better when there was a, an air of mystery to it, I guess.
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Darren McKee
I agree, and one of the concepts I've, I've said to people over the years is the reality is whatever picture we paint. Yeah. So let's paint that picture. Use your words. I've talked to a lot of, younger people who've wanted to be in communications and radio over the years, and I tell them the greatest skill you can have to be a good radio broadcaster is to be a great writer.
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Darren McKee
If you're a great writer and a great reader, you can paint a picture. And if you can paint a picture, this is radio, by the way. It's not television, but if you can paint a picture with your words, you can probably become a great radio person. And you can take people inside of a world that is fascinating. And I got another piece of advice a long time ago.
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Darren McKee
The most powerful word in radio is you. You have to understand you're not speaking. You're not at Red rocks. Tom. When you're on the radio, you know what you are. You're talking to one person who's driving their car, and it's a personal conversation. People don't listen to talk radio in groups. They listen to music in groups, not talk radio.
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Darren McKee
So the more that you use the word you and think about that one person. So every time I'm on the radio doing anything, I never think of it as a group. I think of it like just like this.
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Tom Green
This is how it is.
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Darren McKee
I'm talking to one person. So how would I talk to you? How would I be real and genuine and opinionated? While still just having a conversation with you? That's what I've tried to do all these years.
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Tom Green
So when you say all these years, the the road from being a rock and roll deejay in places like Syracuse, New York, takes you to here. And obviously, you know, it's more than evolved. It's mutated in many ways what radio has become. But also, you know, we all change as well. Those of us on the air, the listeners change, the habits change.
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Tom Green
So you you better evolve.
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Darren McKee
Yeah. And what has happened in radio and I think it's I think it's ultimately for the better. Okay. Because in the 90s, radio was shock jocks and outrageous. And a lot of misogyny and a lot of things. When you look back on it, it's very cringe. What was accepted and what we did, including myself. Okay. But that was just the way radio was.
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Darren McKee
It was wild in the 90s.
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Tom Green
Felt like you were doing what was asked of you at the time.
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Darren McKee
That's right. And it was just it was kind of outrageous and kind of embarrassing all at the same time. What has happened, though, and it happened with Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake at a Super Bowl when he ripped her clothes off the wardrobe malfunction. Right. What happened after that is the FCC said, we're going to find the individual stations, not just the networks themselves.
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Darren McKee
And that had a chilling effect on everything. So you saw all these really outrageous shows, more or less go away. Well, here's the irony. Where did they all go? Yeah, they went to sports talk. So the station I grew up listening to weekend, which was 1041 in Boston, is now 98 five, The Sports Hub. Okay. And what you have in sports talk radio really is a bunch of FM rock morning shows that just go all day without, you know, all the sex talk and sort of that outrageous element.
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Darren McKee
They.
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Tom Green
Play LED Zeppelin, they just talk about the Sox.
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Darren McKee
No, but I tell you what, if we played, you know, Dazed and Confused, it would fit right in with a lot of it would work if, I swear to God, if we played Metallica or LED Zeppelin or whatever, the tone of it would fit right into the conversation. I love Irvin Joe, I love Irvin, Joe. But the truth of the matter is, we're not just reading the newspaper anymore.
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Darren McKee
And it hasn't been like that for a long time. No, no, you're you're it's a more concentrated, entertaining. Maybe it's bad. I don't know. It depends how people use it. I suppose. Maybe it's decent, genuine. I try to be as genuine as I can be. While still being opinionated. People sometimes say to me, oh, what's like D Mac really like, well, off going third person here, Tom.
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Tom Green
What's he like?
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Darren McKee
And I would say, well, this is just who I am because I grew up in an Irish Catholic family outside of Boston, and we talked about all the things you're not supposed to talk about at dinner. I'll never forget my my girlfriend. Now, my wife came home for Thanksgiving while we were dating in college at Syracuse. And she goes, after dinner, she goes, why were you guys fighting?
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Darren McKee
I go, well, we weren't fighting. That's just how we talk. That's how it is. And that's just how it is.
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Tom Green
So take that to another level. You've done almost all of your work with partners. Yeah. So going back from from Syracuse rock radio to your your Denver sports partners. Yeah. And that's always it's not always tricky, but it's it's the most important thing you do is, is your relationship with your On-Air partners. You had you know, obviously a long run with Alfred.
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Tom Green
Yeah. And now you're working with, Tyler and Scott and in the midday and it's it's a pretty important structure. It's a, it's a bit familial, and it can be like what you just described, sitting around with your, you know, fighting or talking.
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Darren McKee
Well, you want, I think at the end of the day, like I said, the most important word is you. So I, I want it to feel like you're sitting right there with us. If we're doing a good show, hopefully we're not speaking at you. We're we're speaking to you. And I don't want people to feel like we're the cool kids club.
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Darren McKee
And, you know, either you're with us or you're not. I don't want that. I want you to feel like you can sit down, have a cup of coffee, have a beer. You know, just relax. And. And I value the people who are listening to opinion just as much as the guys that I'm working with. And then it's a balance.
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Darren McKee
And then it's about relationships. And there's tricks to the trade, you know, in terms of topics and how you broach those topics when you do it all, all that sort of stuff behind the scenes. But but at the end of the day, you just want a compelling conversation as you drive from point A to point B, and hopefully now it's kind of wild because you can go back and listen to these conversations anytime you want, anywhere you are.
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Darren McKee
But still the most powerful thing, at least in radio for now, as far as I can tell, is a dude, driving in their truck.
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Tom Green
So you say you value their opinions, but it used to be, you know, you open up the phone lines. Let's take your calls. The phone lines don't get opened up anymore. But nowadays people do text or tweet or reach out to you digitally, which allows you to be a little more a steward or a shepherd of the conversation because the phone calls would sometimes go off the rails.
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Tom Green
Right. But yeah, I think has that been growth or just change?
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Darren McKee
So funny, like when I started to talk radio and when I really started talk radio and I was moving away from being on the music, the rock side of things, right? It was on Koa of all places, and it was just straight up news talk and every show. This is like 18 years ago was a long time ago.
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Darren McKee
But every show was kind of like, well, did you get the phones going? Did you get the people calling like, that's a good show or not a good show? But then I realized, just because the phones ring doesn't mean it's interesting. Yeah. And I call it cat and dog radio. So if you want to get the phone to ring.
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Darren McKee
Tom, I love cats. Cats are the way to go. The dogs are ridiculous. And you would say, oh my God, what's wrong with you? You know, dogs all the way. Let's open up the lines. Hey, line one cat or dog? Cat line to get her dog. Dog. Line three get it? And it's like, all right, fine. And that's how political talk.
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Darren McKee
I just had such a different view of what political talk was going to be. Right. And it just got more and more. Either you're right or you're wrong or it's one thing or another. And there was no nuance whatsoever with political talk. And I was bummed about that. I was looking for conversations that way. And you know what's amazing?
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Darren McKee
I found that in sports, and I found it much more interesting and compelling in sports, because you didn't always have to be on one side or another. Right. And political talk. You had no choice. Yeah, you're on one side or you're on the other side, and that's that. But in sports, you can have an opinion here and opinion there.
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Darren McKee
And what's great about sports too, in my opinion, everybody loves sports for the most part, I think. And you can talk with anybody about it. So, it's been an interesting growth for me to realize I'm in a format that didn't exist when I started in broadcasting, and, I've made an entire career, and now we're going into this digital age, like, what's next?
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Tom Green
So I want to ask you about the business in a minute, but because you brought up phone calls, the caller, you got to be caller 97 to win tickets to go see 38 this week weekend.
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Darren McKee
Done that.
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Tom Green
Did you ever do you ever enter? Do you ever win or. Oh, that's a kid. Did you call I remember.
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Darren McKee
I remember when I was in high school we call a rock station to we wanted to hear the fat boys wipe out. And like we sat there waiting for this radio station which didn't play the Fat Boys to play the Fat Boys Wipe out. And it was like, oh my God, it's got to be coming on soon. And I'll tell you this, as a radio guy, I would record requests, but sometimes they would request stuff that, you know, is coming up.
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Darren McKee
Right. So it gives that sort of impression. Now everything in music, radio time, I, you know, I feel for my, my music radio decided, oh my gosh. I mean, you know, it's a there's not a lot of mystery to these things. It's but but I really respect them. I still love music radio. It's just more difficult than ever.
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Darren McKee
Technology has made things more difficult for the people in it and easier for the companies that that are running it. But it's not. It's just not the same thing. I once had a program director who I was an idiot, but but he said to me one time he goes, I got to know whatever you guys are saying.
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Tom Green
Is.
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Darren McKee
Going to be better than LED Zeppelin into Godsmack. And I'm like, I don't know. Those bands are pretty good. I have no idea if my little joke is going to be better than,
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Tom Green
Pretty well.
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Darren McKee
Produced. Yeah, it's kind of kind of know that they're all right, you know, there. So I was like, well, if that's the battle I'm fighting, why am I even in this and that? That is why I wanted to get into talk radio and hey, you live or die, you're the song. It's either you're interesting or you're not. That's it's kind of a bottom line game.
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Tom Green
Live or die takes us to the cold part of this. The business you and I, I've been in the business for a while, and we felt the wrath of the business and enjoyed the the best parts of the business as well. You over the last. Let's go your Denver years. You've been fired multiple rehired. You've been sent down to triple A in Colorado Springs.
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Tom Green
Right back up to the majors. Yeah. What do you what do you find as you look back? Because I, I was surprised to tell people when I changed jobs, normally it almost came down to me saying no, and I'd go out into the, the nether world and, you know, do you have another job? And you worry about it.
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Tom Green
But I also found it. Not until I did it. It's slightly empowering. You realize it is your call. Whether you say yes or no or do something and it can be scary. But did you find any growth in getting fired or leaving something?
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Darren McKee
Well, I, I never feel like I've ever deserved to be fired. I'll just start there. Okay. And but I have been fired a lot. I've. And while I've lived here in Colorado, the difference is, is this a hobby or is this your profession?
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Tom Green
Right.
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Darren McKee
And, and then, of course, being here in Colorado, Tom, like, I've lived in outside of DC and in Syracuse. Buffalo. I grew up in Boston. I was offered a job in Boston at another rock station was the same exact time I was offered a job at KBI in Denver. So I did choose Colorado over my hometown. And don't forget, that was my dream.
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Tom Green
This is before in the 90s.
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Darren McKee
This is in the late 90s. Yeah, 1999. And and I've I've never regretted it, nor have I really wanted to go really beyond Colorado unless I could stay here in Colorado. So when I'm getting fired and I have to commute for five years back and forth to Colorado Springs from Aurora, which I did because I didn't want my kids to have to move.
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Darren McKee
We lived in a wonderful place behind Smoky Hill High School. There's the elementary school, there's the middle school, there's the high school, and there are my two kids, my two boys. And I wanted to give them as stable of a life as possible. And I look back on it and I'm I'm amazed that it actually happened and that we got through it and it was very, very difficult to do so I made a decision.
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Darren McKee
This is it. This is where I'm going to be. This is where I want to be. And yeah, just recently I got fired just a couple years ago and sort of had to start again. But but the same thing. I didn't want to go anywhere else. I love it here. Colorado is my home, no doubt about it.
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Darren McKee
And so you just do what you got to do. You got to love it, though, Tom. You if you if I wake up every day excited for work, right, I chose it. So even though you might have frustrations, life with whatever. Yeah, I really do love what I do. And if it if that wasn't the case, I wouldn't be doing it.
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Darren McKee
And and if you're going to get into this business, it better not be about the money. Let's just start there. However, do you want to have a wife? Do you want to have a house? Do you want to have kids? And that's where you got to become a professional? Yeah, you got to quit the day job as it would be.
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Darren McKee
And I just came to that resolution a long time ago. So to me, there's no a lot of people say, oh, you work so hard, you do all this stuff. And I'm like, really? You know, who works hard is the dude in his truck who's going to do his 9 to 5 or whatever.
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Tom Green
But you do work hard, and I don't want to compare you to anyone in particular, but you go to almost every nugget game, almost every avalanche home game. You go to the Broncos, you go to these games and you're present and and not everyone does that. So I do think you work hard.
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Darren McKee
Well, but how is anybody going to believe any opinion I have of us? I bring you inside of what's going on. I'm five foot seven and nothing in like, you know, played at a high school level. Like, why does my opinion matter? Well, the one thing, the one thing I can do that other people can't do is have access.
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Darren McKee
Yeah. That's it. And once I kind of figured that out, like, I'll never forget what I know, I didn't even know what it was. It was when I was at the fan and they said, oh, you can go to the first 15 minutes of the Denver Broncos practice. I'm like, oh, you can like, sure, you don't see anything.
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Darren McKee
They just stretch. I'm like, oh, but you can go. They go, yeah. So I just started going, yeah, Tom, I can't tell you how much I got from just being there day after day after day. Because you learn things, you hear conversations, you build relationships. And it's the same thing with the avalanche in the nuggets in the Rockies, to sure.
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Darren McKee
To be fair, like if you're there, you're going to learn more things accidentally.
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Tom Green
You might find something out. It happens all the time.
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Darren McKee
Yeah, all the time. And, and that's the one thing. And I just learned that. Oh, okay, that's what I need to do. And just, like, like a moron, I just keep doing it over and over and over and over again. And that's that. And so when you hear me talk about something, when you hear an opinion from me, it is because I put work in it is because I've built relationships.
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Darren McKee
It is because I've seen and heard things and know things. I'm not just guessing up there with my opinion, but as I found in radio, most people are guessing. In fact, it's a lot of that I've been blown away by by how much opportunity there is and how few people in my business actually use that opportunity.
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Tom Green
So the the evolution now where we see what like what we're doing a podcast today and you're constantly live streaming, it seems like you're constantly podcasting. So noon to three. You and Tyler Columbus, you and Scott Hastings have a great time. Great three hour ride. Love it. Altitude Sports Radio. And then you go to games and or stuff like that.
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Tom Green
But you're also I mean, unavoidable digitally as no matter how hard I've tried.
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Darren McKee
I can't get away from.
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Tom Green
Escape you.
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Darren McKee
Well, that's been an interesting learning process. And a couple of years ago, when I was fired again, you had to look at things and and just to you were an incredible friend during that period. And I'm so grateful for it. And we had conversations about this that the other thing which was really meant a lot. So it's a weird spot to be in your 50s and trying to discover something brand new.
00;22;39;23 - 00;22;58;04
Darren McKee
Yeah, it is wild and so it is with a deep breath that you just say, okay, I'm going to embrace this. I'm going to try to figure this out the best that I can, and you sort of move forward. But I love the digital space. I don't like it. I love it because it's such a direct connection to your audience.
00;22;58;04 - 00;23;06;20
Darren McKee
Or at least it can be. So, I'll never give that up. Ever. And I'm happy to work in that space as you are now, too.
00;23;06;20 - 00;23;06;27
Tom Green
Yeah.
00;23;06;27 - 00;23;07;22
Darren McKee
No, I'm so.
00;23;07;26 - 00;23;25;04
Tom Green
I'm, I'm maybe learning or I may just be existing in it. You know, I'm trying to I do try to still absorb a little bit about what this is all about. And, sometimes, you know, we shoot everything on video, we make clips, but it's how many people watch versus how many people listen, how many people hear. Just a take on.
00;23;25;04 - 00;23;28;01
Tom Green
And you know, so I'm I'm trying to understand what it is we're doing.
00;23;28;01 - 00;23;44;14
Darren McKee
The metrics of it are intimidating and and how the how you should best exist in that space is an intimidating factor as well. But at the end of the day, is whatever conversation you're having about whatever it is compelling for somebody to watch.
00;23;44;16 - 00;24;01;16
Tom Green
It changed a lot during Covid because I think people, especially in my line of work and TV, always felt, you know, if you can't get someone in the studio, it's not any good. But now you start to have to consume with everybody. So now you could talk to a guy and you know Katmandu as easily as you can talk.
00;24;01;19 - 00;24;04;08
Darren McKee
I can't believe you dragged me here from Aurora.
00;24;04;10 - 00;24;31;12
Tom Green
It was. Well, we thought we'd drag you here just. Just so people could enjoy the full experience. So you look, at what's going on now, let's do a little sports talk radio now. Sure. Because it was a very interesting last couple of days with Sean Payton, and Bo Nix and then Greg Penner as well. I was very surprised, at Bo Nix wanting to wade back into that and clap back at the coach.
00;24;31;12 - 00;24;37;01
Tom Green
And it's clear he was and, what do you make of that? Because it's what you see is what.
00;24;37;01 - 00;24;39;02
Darren McKee
You make of John Elway and Dan Reeves.
00;24;39;02 - 00;25;04;27
Tom Green
So I wanted to start with that. In 1991, the Broncos lose ten seven in the AFC Championship game in Buffalo. And then the next, you know, two weeks later they fire Mike Shanahan. And then in April, they draft Tommy Maddox. Catastrophic post loss moves, things that really hurt the franchise in the long run. It took them years to get back to a super Bowl.
00;25;04;29 - 00;25;24;00
Tom Green
What happens now is what's important after you lose a game like that. And I was surprised that Sean Payton and now Bo Nix have started a path that's very different than the one people are going, well, there's the window's wide open. It's going to be a long run. I mean, you had to be taken back by a little bit of gauze.
00;25;24;02 - 00;25;44;24
Darren McKee
And let's go through the time frame. Sean Payton says Bo Nix is on his scooter upstairs doing his laps. That means he's there, Tom. He's there in the building. The day clean out your locker day. Press conference day was on Monday. Why didn't Bo Nix, if he's been at the facility, simply talk on Monday and he can say whatever he wants, okay.
00;25;44;26 - 00;25;56;06
Darren McKee
He doesn't. Fine. Whatever. Tuesday, Sean Payton and George Payton talk, okay. That the end of the year. And oh, we're going to wait on Greg Penner. They didn't used to do that.
00;25;56;07 - 00;25;59;23
Tom Green
They also forgot to mention they were firing three coaches before that press count.
00;25;59;23 - 00;26;21;21
Darren McKee
Yeah, they conveniently had the press conference before they fired the coaches, which was nice. The next day and they didn't used to do this. They used to just do everything in one day. The owner, the GM, the coach, whatever, anybody, whatever. We're in the team meeting room. It's one day it's goes for an hour or so, and then you would have a they would do the presser and then then we'd have little conversations off to the side because it is the end of the year.
00;26;21;23 - 00;26;36;03
Darren McKee
Hey, we'll see you out at the combine the next year starts the fact that Bo Nix at the last minute, decided he needed to have a press conference a couple of hours after the owner spoke, which is typically like the end.
00;26;36;03 - 00;26;36;22
Tom Green
The buttons are.
00;26;36;26 - 00;27;07;07
Darren McKee
Yeah, yeah man, like what is going on here? So clearly Bo Nix had an issue with what Sean Payne said. Now, I don't think anybody's lying, but I think we're getting into a real semantics thing here, Tom, about, you know, your ankle is predisposed to injury, that sort of thing. And it's clear that Bo Nix and his camp do not want some sort of, dialog about repetitive injuries when he is one year away from making, like $50 million a year.
00;27;07;08 - 00;27;23;22
Tom Green
And not only that, I get the feeling that it it's always the last straw. And I get the feeling that that there might have been some push and shove towards that line for Bo, for this to be the last straw, because he also could have just said nothing. He could have just moved on.
00;27;23;22 - 00;27;53;16
Darren McKee
It is so weird because Sean Penn obviously loved him to pick him, no doubt about it. Yeah, they've been incredibly successful together, as was Reeves and Elway, by the way. And now you can see, especially those of us who remember our Broncos history, you sort of see this weird little thing going on between these two guys. And it does happen with young athletes at some point, young athletes especially, who are really, really good, they have the power more so than the coach who doesn't start like that.
00;27;53;18 - 00;28;04;10
Darren McKee
But occasionally it gets like that. And I'm glad we have a guy like Greg Penner in charge. But I got news for Greg. You're going to have some drama to deal with here, my friend. So there's there's no doubt about it.
00;28;04;15 - 00;28;23;16
Tom Green
So does the offseason now belong to George and Sean? Now have this issue of trying to build a better club and and so paramount to that, it seems like everyone has agreed. You know, it's playmakers, whether it's wide receiver, running back or tight end. And you know I would I don't know if they ever can actually play a tight end.
00;28;23;16 - 00;28;39;23
Tom Green
I don't know if there's any designation for any plays for a tight end if they had one. But it's going to be interesting to see, because you've always been very strong about drafting quarterbacks, and that's kind of one of the reasons I mentioned Tommy Maddox, too. Elway was 32 when they drafted Tommy Maddox and.
00;28;39;26 - 00;28;41;02
Darren McKee
It was an insane draft pick.
00;28;41;06 - 00;28;45;18
Tom Green
Yeah. It was like Jordan Love coming behind Aaron Rodgers in a.
00;28;45;25 - 00;29;04;18
Darren McKee
Well look at the problem when you have Kirk Cousins and then you draft Michael Penix Jr. Yeah. And now everybody who made that decision in Atlanta is gone. It makes no sense. It was a bad decision for the Broncos back then. It's a bad decision for any team if they're unless you're not committed to whoever the veteran is, you know how do you think Jake Plummer felt with Jay Cutler sitting around here?
00;29;04;18 - 00;29;22;22
Darren McKee
Yeah, but that wasn't a great feeling either. So, but these are all dumb mistakes that are easily, correctable. There's no way the Denver Broncos are going to be drafting a quarterback in the first round for the next ten years. It's it's not going to happen. And here's the most important reason why you've got an adult in the room.
00;29;22;22 - 00;29;44;12
Darren McKee
And Greg Penner. And if you listen to Greg Penner what he says, I listen and I ask questions. Yeah. And that is the best way for an owner to be, because you should have to explain yourself why you're doing what you're doing. And it was another interesting one. Chris Thompson of the Denver Gazette talked to Joe Lombardi, and Joe Lombardi was like, well, I think Sean was having a bad day.
00;29;44;12 - 00;29;49;15
Darren McKee
So he fired me. I'm like, yeah. So we've been friends for 15 years and you had a bad day.
00;29;49;20 - 00;29;56;26
Tom Green
But the offensive coordinator job in Denver is an interesting one. And the question many people are asking is will it evolve this year?
00;29;56;28 - 00;30;17;12
Darren McKee
I don't unless unless they promote from like say they move Zach Street from offensive line coach to offensive coordinator. Okay. Then he probably would have the same role as Joe Lombardi, which is more or less the guy who gets Sean Payton coffee, right? However, if you hire anybody else, including Davis Webb, into that position, they're going to have to call plays.
00;30;17;12 - 00;30;21;14
Darren McKee
I can't imagine anybody taking that job unless they would have that sort of what.
00;30;21;19 - 00;30;35;01
Tom Green
Sean do during the game, because every shot you see of him, he's got that menu in front of him and he's calling and talking, and I don't know what he would actually do during a game if he wasn't speaking to Bo Nix and the assistants. It's a.
00;30;35;01 - 00;30;59;15
Darren McKee
Great question. He wouldn't know what to do. Yeah, it's to become that CEO would be unfamiliar territory. Sean is a meticulous dude who makes mountains out of molehills all the time. He would be just obsessed that our coffee cups don't match and they should be matching here. He'd be as obsessed with that as his run defense. And that's not balanced.
00;30;59;17 - 00;31;06;16
Darren McKee
So Sean needs to find his Zen moment. He needs to find his balance. He's a very, very good football coach.
00;31;06;17 - 00;31;08;04
Tom Green
No doubt. Very good. No doubt.
00;31;08;04 - 00;31;26;11
Darren McKee
And he is the right guy. And he did have the vision for quarterback, not George Payne. It was Sean Payne that had that vision. Because we're all sitting here and we all know Josh Allen should have been our quarterback a long time ago. But but okay whatever. We got Bo Nix and we're fine. And the window with Bo Nix is actually pretty quick.
00;31;26;13 - 00;31;39;19
Darren McKee
Yeah. Because that rookie contract is where you can do everything else. Yeah. But if you really love your guy, if he's the man, well, you're going to pay him. And once you do that, you've got to reinvent your team all over again. But that doesn't have to happen for a couple more years.
00;31;39;19 - 00;31;46;12
Tom Green
But they've had Bo Nix basically under a veteran contract because of the Russell Wilson money.
00;31;46;15 - 00;31;48;08
Darren McKee
That's a good point. That's a good point.
00;31;48;09 - 00;31;55;06
Tom Green
This year becomes the this is the sweet spot the rookie contract and Russell's over. And
00;31;55;08 - 00;32;11;15
Darren McKee
So here we go. We got a small window. The Broncos should win a Super Bowl in the next two years. Well the end if they if they don't win a Super Bowl in the next two years. Unfortunately this is harsh. If they don't win a Super Bowl in the next two years, it's a disappointment and Sean Payton has failed.
00;32;11;15 - 00;32;12;19
Darren McKee
I don't that's harsh as that is.
00;32;12;19 - 00;32;15;06
Tom Green
I don't think they were going to win one this year either.
00;32;15;08 - 00;32;18;17
Darren McKee
Oh, this year they way, way over.
00;32;18;20 - 00;32;20;03
Tom Green
But I mean, if they had.
00;32;20;03 - 00;32;22;06
Darren McKee
Beat me, oh, you think they would've lost at Seattle?
00;32;22;06 - 00;32;33;13
Tom Green
Seattle looks like a handful right now. And I think they're not as good out of their building. But they're they're are the best team. And, it would have, would have been I think they'd give Seattle a better game than New England.
00;32;33;13 - 00;32;40;01
Darren McKee
Well, you know what? He may be right. But, Tom, I would love to see. Oh, there's nothing bad about going to a super.
00;32;40;01 - 00;32;40;25
Tom Green
Stuff happens.
00;32;40;25 - 00;32;41;20
Darren McKee
Yeah.
00;32;41;22 - 00;32;55;02
Tom Green
The right team doesn't always win that. That's how it how it plays out. So you do see them picking it 30 is hard. I've seen there's some pretty good players drafted at 30 back in the day. But it's every six years you know you get everyone.
00;32;55;03 - 00;33;10;28
Darren McKee
It'll be boring time. It'll be some inside linebacker we've never heard of or something like that. Right. They'll they'll make a bigger splash I think this year in free agency that's where they're going to get their playmakers. The draft. At the end of the day, if you've got a pick that's reasonable, that needs to be an impact player.
00;33;10;28 - 00;33;26;02
Darren McKee
They clearly screwed up. They did not get the impact from JD Barron that they should have. They should have gone with a more impactful draft pick. That doesn't mean Johnny Barron won't be great, right? I'm just talking about the value of the pick. Johnny Barron profiles more like a guy you would have drafted in the third, fourth, fifth round, which is fine.
00;33;26;02 - 00;33;45;24
Darren McKee
I wish the best for him. But when you draft in the first round, you got to have a guy who's going to contribute right now, he's going to be a starter. He's going to be impactful. Now, when you're drafted to 30, I kind of roll my eyes at that a little bit. Yeah, it's not quite the same. I'm not going to hold them to that standard, but they did screw up last year with Johnny Barron, not with the player, but with the strategy of the pick.
00;33;45;27 - 00;34;05;09
Darren McKee
Tom. He played in five plays. Yeah. In the AFC Championship game, developmental guys are leader on third, fourth, fifth round. That first and second round guys they got to be your guys. RJ Harvey was like one of your guys you know no doubt about it. So they made a mistake there. They're going to correct that mistake I feel in free agency this year.
00;34;05;10 - 00;34;19;13
Darren McKee
They're going to overpay. I promise you they'll overpay for whoever they go after. But it'll be an impact sort of player. And it probably is. I mean, the top guys right now are George Pickens. But Tom, you realize that's going to be a 30 plus million dollars a year guy.
00;34;19;13 - 00;34;22;08
Tom Green
Yeah. And he's he's there's an unsteadiness to George Pickens.
00;34;22;08 - 00;34;24;18
Darren McKee
There's always an unsteadiness to every free agent.
00;34;24;22 - 00;34;25;17
Tom Green
Wide receivers.
00;34;25;17 - 00;34;33;10
Darren McKee
Especially. You got fired me for a reason. Well not really, but but there's a reason why they're free agents. There always is. Period.
00;34;33;12 - 00;34;46;08
Tom Green
So you look at what they do. Their free agent class last year was underwhelming. You know, GM Jake Dobbins, had he been healthy, would have. But he was a late Add. But he would have he would have been a terrific player to have. Of course.
00;34;46;08 - 00;34;48;10
Darren McKee
Well, you found it was good.
00;34;48;12 - 00;34;55;17
Tom Green
Yeah. I like to fungo a lot. Greenlaw didn't really get to play much. Right. You know Evan Ingram not. Yeah, not not even Matt I think.
00;34;55;18 - 00;35;14;03
Darren McKee
Okay. I'm not going to fight you on that. Yeah. And that's what you get when you get free agents in the 30s. Who knows? I think who, was probably the best of all the free agents and Greenlaw, it's. I think it's an incomplete like the report cards out because he was hurt and he got suspended, and and then he was like, the defense is like Spanish.
00;35;14;03 - 00;35;15;12
Darren McKee
Like it's really that complicated.
00;35;15;19 - 00;35;26;21
Tom Green
Well, that was it. They were a free agent on a budget last year. And this year they aren't, like you said, overpay. But that's the basis of free agency is everyone. Overpay is for pretty much everything those first few days.
00;35;26;21 - 00;35;48;05
Darren McKee
But here we go. And now, now, now you can have some fun because now it's about winning a Super Bowl next year and the year after. And then once Bo gets that big contract, you got to look at everything a little bit different. But that's a good point that that he was operating under a high price. That's a really good point that they have been operating as they will in a couple of years.
00;35;48;10 - 00;35;51;23
Darren McKee
They did that this year and look how far they got. But they didn't quite get there did they.
00;35;51;25 - 00;35;52;16
Tom Green
No, no.
00;35;52;19 - 00;35;54;08
Darren McKee
Damn close. But they didn't quite get there.
00;35;54;08 - 00;36;11;24
Tom Green
No. And it's well I think the sledding gets tougher to next year. I don't think Kansas City's going away and I don't think Baltimore is going away. And I think the Joe Burrow I mean those all those guys will be back next year and see who's healthy. And, you know, all the random nature of a season. You know, it's always you think because you had a good year, next year will be better.
00;36;11;24 - 00;36;24;04
Tom Green
And it's that's just not how sports works. Sometimes it it cuts your way and sometimes nothing goes right. The Broncos had a very good luck season until Jake Dobbins got hurt until Bo Nix got hurt.
00;36;24;06 - 00;36;33;23
Darren McKee
But here we are though, Tom, and I'm so glad we can have these conversations. Yeah, yeah. Because for a decade it was it was doesn't matter. It was it was brutal.
00;36;33;23 - 00;36;34;29
Tom Green
You don't have a quarterback.
00;36;35;00 - 00;36;40;12
Darren McKee
It was brutal. And thank God for the ABS and the nuggets during that time. And now we have all three teams which is really exciting.
00;36;40;12 - 00;36;45;12
Tom Green
Yeah. When Romi was here a couple weeks ago, we talked about the possibility of three parade. So we're down to two and.
00;36;45;12 - 00;36;45;24
Darren McKee
We're down to.
00;36;45;24 - 00;36;49;04
Tom Green
Two. Down to two parades. Yeah. Who do you like in the Super Bowl?
00;36;49;07 - 00;37;07;04
Darren McKee
Seahawks. Yeah I mean, and on the radio I was because I really do feel they're a better team than the Patriots. I still do to this time. But on on my side I like I was looking out like off the off to the left I'm like ooh that's Super Bowl. It might be a different story. I mean, you don't have the home field.
00;37;07;10 - 00;37;28;15
Darren McKee
You don't have the same advantages. I'm I'm watching what the Seahawks and the Rams do. I think the Broncos would had a tough time with probably either of those teams. Again, I still would have loved to have that problem. And even if you lose, whatever. But I do think, Seattle will wipe up the Patriots. I'll be stunned if they don't win by 20 points.
00;37;28;15 - 00;37;46;02
Darren McKee
And and we'll see. But it's fascinating to see the success of Sam Darnold. And when you look at quarterback classes look at that Sam Darnold Josh Allen class which is really amazing when you think about it. And now you look at that Bo Nix class. And it's like whoa. Like they did it again because this year's draft it's like Fernando and that's it.
00;37;46;08 - 00;37;47;09
Darren McKee
Yeah I mean there's nothing.
00;37;47;09 - 00;37;49;03
Tom Green
Five foot seven Diego Pavia.
00;37;49;10 - 00;37;51;02
Darren McKee
Yeah. How tall is he.
00;37;51;04 - 00;37;53;09
Tom Green
I think he came in under 510 officially.
00;37;53;09 - 00;38;02;12
Darren McKee
So so that's that's that class. And when it comes to drafting quarterbacks you can't choose when you suck Tom. Yeah you got to get lucky and you got to give it a shot.
00;38;02;14 - 00;38;15;18
Tom Green
Who's nightmare is this Super Bowl. More Bronco fans with Seattle and New England. Or I think of Jets fans with New England and Sam Darnold playing in the Super Bowl is probably their nightmare Super Bowl as well.
00;38;15;18 - 00;38;38;15
Darren McKee
Well, nothing is worked out for the Jets and I wish the best for Darren Mucci who's the GM and used to be here. The I don't know when you I'll tell you this. Almost every single organization can be traced back to ownership. And, that is the one thing if you're being fair about things. The Broncos were rudderless because the ownership situation was so severely in flux.
00;38;38;16 - 00;38;58;19
Darren McKee
Yeah. And when you see these other repetitive bad organizations, I don't think the Jets have been to the playoffs, Tom, for like 17 years. That's a reflection on ownership and direction and what they're doing. And when you have good ownership like the Broncos do have, look how quickly things can turn bad ownership in Cleveland. Decent ownership in Buffalo.
00;38;58;19 - 00;39;18;22
Darren McKee
But they kind of I think the guy's a kook, but but they they did the right things. And when you see Greg Penner yesterday say, well listen, I, I listened. But they're the football guys and I'm not going to get in their way. And it's like, what a breath of fresh air. Yeah. And by the way we've had great ownership too with the nuggets in the as they're set up the right way too.
00;39;18;26 - 00;39;37;00
Darren McKee
And the owners, they're the Krankies don't really get in the way now. It was tricky with the nuggets obviously last year. But hey man they they recognize this ain't working. We need to do better for this team and this fan base. And they were quick to make those corrections even though it was really dramatic at the end of the year last year.
00;39;37;01 - 00;39;56;00
Tom Green
Well, there's also the other ownership group, the Rockies, which we'll get to in a second. Okay. Two parades now possible for the Avs and the nuggets. Boy, it just seems like the Avs have four games to go before the Olympic break. The nuggets have eight games to go before the All-Star break. Yeah that's all they're trying to do.
00;39;56;07 - 00;39;57;13
Darren McKee
They're just trying to survive.
00;39;57;20 - 00;40;18;17
Tom Green
Well they seem like we watched the Avs last night play. One of their big clunkers of the year. Didn't play well in Ottawa. And the nuggets are, you know, have been doing a masterful job of fashioning wins with missing 80% of your starters. Do either of these teams, do you see them on the other side of those brakes, pushing and being able to get to a parade?
00;40;18;17 - 00;40;29;13
Darren McKee
Oh, absolutely. Both health matters though. Yeah. So for the Avs, you know, it's important to get Landeskog and Davis back. Yeah. But that's a big deal.
00;40;29;13 - 00;40;30;00
Tom Green
It's a lot.
00;40;30;04 - 00;40;48;20
Darren McKee
It's important to probably figure out what goalie are we going to go with. More often than not it's been flip flopping between Wedgewood and Blackwood. We probably got to make a call on that. And Wedgewood has missed games recently because him and his wife just had a baby. Right. So but he's back now and but they're holding on for dear life.
00;40;48;23 - 00;40;57;15
Darren McKee
Till they get to the Olympic break. The nuggets clearly just keeping your head above water. The fact that the nuggets have a winning record. Yeah without Nikola Jokic. Wow.
00;40;57;18 - 00;40;59;03
Tom Green
And not just Jokic.
00;40;59;06 - 00;41;14;04
Darren McKee
Oh my God it's it's been unbelievable. And so I I really have a lot of respect for what David Adelman and his staff has been able to do as well as the players. They've been incredibly resilient now they've gotten blown out a couple times. And you know, like Detroit was a close loss. But they are very competitive.
00;41;14;04 - 00;41;19;04
Darren McKee
And you do go into every game like I don't know. We'll see. It's exciting.
00;41;19;04 - 00;41;43;14
Tom Green
Let's stay with the nuggets for a second because I think what Jamal Murray has done this year, not only because it's it's about time we've waited for him to play a first half of season and play effectively. But with everyone going down, he's shown up every night. He's been clutch. He's been hard. He's been he's been playoff Jamal from October on and Payton Watts and his evolution.
00;41;43;17 - 00;42;04;01
Tom Green
And then I think of all those other guys the pickets and the energies and all these guys that are getting to play now. And it makes me, reflect, the Calvin Boothe Michael Malone lens through which we looked at it. Then when Malone had a title and now and you think Calvin Boothe saw something in those guys that Michael wouldn't or couldn't let evolve.
00;42;04;04 - 00;42;08;21
Darren McKee
Unfortunately, they just couldn't get along.
00;42;08;21 - 00;42;09;05
Tom Green
Yeah.
00;42;09;05 - 00;42;18;07
Darren McKee
And if you want to have a successful relationship, you have got to have that string that pulls through from ownership to GM to coach.
00;42;18;07 - 00;42;34;07
Tom Green
Well, Bednar and and Sakic and McDonald. You know, you look at that. You look at Peyton and Peyton and it seems like they've gotten in the same page. And that might have been a wake up call for many people. Even in this town. Like, you better get along or else you might both be gone.
00;42;34;07 - 00;42;57;18
Darren McKee
And right now, it's working, with Ben Tenser and John Wallace with, with David Adelman. And. Hey, listen, the trade deadline is coming up February 5th, so it's a big test. What will the nuggets do? And, and Peyton Watson has I mean, Peyton Watson has become a, I don't know, $25 million a year guy.
00;42;57;20 - 00;43;16;08
Darren McKee
That that just has happened. And I am delighted because he's a great young man, but I didn't see it coming. They paid Christian Brown, not Peyton Watson. And I don't blame them. I mean, there wasn't the same evidence that Peyton Watson was going to bloom like this, but he has so yeah. Oh my God.
00;43;16;08 - 00;43;29;29
Tom Green
Cam Johnson's the mystery guy in this right now. Because we saw him struggle to start and started to find his stride when he got hurt. So I mean, he hasn't yet fit in or become indelible to to what the nuggets are yet.
00;43;30;00 - 00;43;49;23
Darren McKee
Well, here's the irony. There's a very viable situation. Theoretically, we're not only could Cam Johnson get traded from the nuggets, but Michael Porter junior could get traded from the nets. Yes I mean that that exists. I'm not predicting that that's what's going to happen. But it could I mean they're they're both in that same sort of situation.
00;43;49;25 - 00;43;55;15
Darren McKee
I like Cam Johnson. Yeah. But I'd rather have Peyton Watson out there right now than Cam Johnson.
00;43;55;15 - 00;43;57;17
Tom Green
Will he? Do you think he'll get his starting job?
00;43;57;17 - 00;44;06;25
Darren McKee
But I don't know what's going to happen. But I'll. I'll just tell you this. If you're not playing Peyton Watson for 30 plus minutes a game, you're not playing one of your better players.
00;44;07;01 - 00;44;29;05
Tom Green
So there are 240 player minutes in an NBA game. It's going to be a big challenge for David Adelman to find out how to spread 240 minutes among a roster. Now that we've seen, you know, goes eight, nine, ten deep and depending on the night and how you also manage minutes because you've seen Brown come back and get hurt, we've seen Gordon come back and get hurt.
00;44;29;07 - 00;44;44;02
Tom Green
You can't do it with you. Rockets can't come back until he's ready. He's not going to qualify for the awards. So I mean are you thinking eight games to the All-Star break? If the better you guys play, the less we need to force this return.
00;44;44;02 - 00;44;57;02
Darren McKee
Well, here's the bizarre irony this year for the Denver Nuggets. And this is why a championship is really a very, very achievable goal. Their home record as of tonight. We'll see how they do against the nets. It's 12 and nine.
00;44;57;03 - 00;44;58;04
Tom Green
Not great.
00;44;58;07 - 00;45;20;05
Darren McKee
They have the best road record in the NBA. Yeah okay cool. So that means they're the most resilient and work the best on the road. Which is pretty awesome to say okay be great to be as high a seat as possible. But do you have a team right now that can win on the road? Cool. Let's keep that in the back of our minds because we don't need to do anything desperate.
00;45;20;08 - 00;45;37;01
Darren McKee
Maybe we can rest and relax. Some of these guys, because the real deal with the nuggets is going to come in the postseason anyways. Same with the avalanche by the way. And we've seen so many teams when the Presidents Trophy having the best record just to lose in the first round. Right. So that means almost nothing. You'd rather have home ice.
00;45;37;04 - 00;45;48;18
Darren McKee
But what you want to have for both teams, you want to be as healthy as humanly possible because they both both of them could have parades. We could be on fire trucks. I don't know how to do that, though.
00;45;48;18 - 00;45;49;24
Tom Green
Do you mean June? Yeah.
00;45;49;24 - 00;45;50;26
Darren McKee
June could be amazing.
00;45;50;28 - 00;46;12;03
Tom Green
Yeah. Well, let's talk about the what these two coaches have done, because David Adelman, I think, started the year out and people took a very, they were questioning whether or not he had what it takes to run an NBA team, this NBA team. Bednar. People, like when I do the show with Ron and Woody, they had him on the hot seat and I was like, well and well.
00;46;12;03 - 00;46;28;24
Tom Green
They thought that they didn't think the team was going to get off to the start. It was. And I was like, man, this team is stacked. I mean, they're going to be great. And, but pretty unique coaches to those guys because we talk about how Sean is so prickly with the media. Yeah, Jared Bednar and David Adelman are pretty available.
00;46;28;26 - 00;46;32;23
Darren McKee
Yeah. Hot seat. Yeah. All right. I'm rolling my eyes at that one.
00;46;32;23 - 00;46;35;21
Tom Green
That was a pre preseason thought. And I was like.
00;46;35;24 - 00;46;36;28
Darren McKee
Yeah no I think he's.
00;46;36;29 - 00;46;37;19
Tom Green
Okay.
00;46;37;21 - 00;47;00;03
Darren McKee
Yeah he's more than okay. He's guys come on he's great. And Adelman has a boy. What a challenge in his first full year. But but he has everybody's respect. And at the end of the day, and I know you're buddies with George Karl as I am, too. At the end of the day, you get evaluated by what you do in the postseason, not the regular season in the NBA.
00;47;00;05 - 00;47;21;01
Darren McKee
And George, gosh, you know, it it was one run to the, conference finals. But that was it. And he just couldn't get is he's kind of like the Sean McDermott in Buffalo. Reminds me a lot of George Karl. It's just like, God, you're really good, coach. We really like you. You've done some real positive things, but for whatever reason, maybe it's not your fault.
00;47;21;03 - 00;47;40;19
Darren McKee
Whatever you got is just not quite enough. Like, I was really good friends with John Fox, and I love Fox and love them, but there was just something that Gary Kubiak had that John Fox did, and it was just that little something extra time. It was that little something extra. And it really was brilliant. Gary Kubiak did. I'm so sorry.
00;47;40;19 - 00;47;59;05
Darren McKee
That is head coaching career more or less got cut short. Yeah. Bye bye. For his health reasons. Because he was just a absolutely brilliant coach. And I think Fox he's a great coach too. But there was something just that wasn't there. The part what we'll see with Adelman I mean but we've already known that with Bednarik he's already done it.
00;47;59;07 - 00;48;01;24
Darren McKee
And we'll see with that him and he'll he'll be tested though. We'll see.
00;48;01;24 - 00;48;12;02
Tom Green
The path for for Bednar is interesting because he has a ring. They are the best team in the league. But getting out of the West is a knife fight. It's so hard to I mean, you're going to see Dallas.
00;48;12;02 - 00;48;22;14
Darren McKee
And you're going nuts because the NHL stupid. Yeah, like hockey's not stupid. Hockey's awesome. The NHL and how they have this playoffs and how they like. You're inevitably going to run into Dallas in the second round.
00;48;22;14 - 00;48;47;05
Tom Green
Yeah. What why why why would you do that. But now you look at Adelman. Adelman doesn't have the ring. He does have a better team ahead of him in Oklahoma City. And it's just a very good teams with very different challenges. And much like the NHL, the NBA West is going to be a terrible street fight to try to get out of the West, getting out of the East.
00;48;47;05 - 00;48;50;01
Tom Green
I mean, it's not going to be that hard.
00;48;50;03 - 00;49;07;10
Darren McKee
Well, I got I got to agree with you. You know, they just played the Detroit Pistons without for starters. And they're the top team in the East. And that one I mean Jamal Murray you do you realize that was the first time in his career Jamal Murray has missed three free throws in the fourth quarter ever which was crazy.
00;49;07;13 - 00;49;08;24
Tom Green
It was the guy you wanted it the low.
00;49;08;24 - 00;49;27;21
Darren McKee
Oh yeah. And and you'd want the next time too. It's just a bizarre weirdness. I have no doubts about Jamal Murray is fantastic. It's just weird how that happened, but but look how close that was for Detroit. So we're in the media room, for for the Nuggets in Detroit. It's like they just won the NBA championship next door.
00;49;27;21 - 00;49;28;23
Darren McKee
I mean, they're going crazy.
00;49;28;23 - 00;49;31;02
Tom Green
Came into Denver and beat those guys.
00;49;31;03 - 00;49;45;09
Darren McKee
Correct. So we're we're going to be all right as long as we can be healthy. I am concerned about a hamstring. I think Nikola will be fine. He's been rehabbing. It's been progressing well. Christian Brown I'm actually a little bit more concerned about.
00;49;45;09 - 00;49;46;20
Tom Green
Yeah. That's been an odd.
00;49;46;23 - 00;50;03;24
Darren McKee
Yeah. Despite he might have been Wally Pipp by Peyton Watson. Maybe. We'll see. And Kim Johnson I don't know. You got to get Nikola back. And then we kind of go from there. Great having you on. Is Valanciunas back by the way. Have you ever have you ever talked with Jonas Valanciunas yesterday.
00;50;03;24 - 00;50;04;28
Tom Green
He was very chatty.
00;50;05;01 - 00;50;08;03
Darren McKee
He was awesome. Yeah he was great. He's cracking jokes. He's having.
00;50;08;03 - 00;50;22;02
Tom Green
Fun. The European players are so good in both sports hockey and basketball. Coming over speaking English and and making English a comfortable language for them. And then their personalities come out and fun guys.
00;50;22;09 - 00;50;40;15
Darren McKee
He's he's been great and he's a great backup for the Joker. We just haven't seen how this team was built playing together long enough. It's been like, I think it's time. It's been like eight games the whole year or something like that, where as it was constructed it has been played. So we'll see. I mean, March.
00;50;40;15 - 00;50;41;24
Tom Green
And April, maybe.
00;50;41;26 - 00;50;45;19
Darren McKee
That's all that matters. That's all that really matters. So we'll take it from there.
00;50;45;19 - 00;50;53;20
Tom Green
So, pitchers and catchers report pretty soon. Yeah. Pretty excited. Rockies made a couple deals yesterday. Got a big first baseman from the Yankees.
00;50;53;21 - 00;51;18;23
Darren McKee
Good. Listen, I'll I'll give him credit for this. Every change that we've been advocating for them to make right so far in this off season, they've made every single thing we've really talked about. They've done. So to think that the Monfort we're going to sell the team is lunacy. And I've heard that. And the boycotting of a team is dumb.
00;51;18;26 - 00;51;29;10
Darren McKee
I'm not a boycott guy. I'm the exact opposite. I think if you want to hold the team accountable, you got to talk about them. You got to put them under a microscope. You have to be fairly critical about them.
00;51;29;10 - 00;51;51;16
Tom Green
You would fight on the show to to talk about the team. I found, when I left nine in May of last year, I was telling people, I said, you know what? They go out there and they lose every night. But that's a big story. The depth of where they are, what they've done to fans and and how they will one day rise again because teams do that.
00;51;51;18 - 00;52;18;19
Tom Green
But I was saying, you know, instead of just dismissing them, I think it's a great story and not not in, in success. But it's it's a real tale of how professional sports franchises can go wrong. And, you know, I don't know if we'll know when they've turned the corner, when they've started to hit bottom and ascend. It feels like this offseason is a little bit different, but there's no radical change in Chris Bryant's still sitting on the roster.
00;52;18;19 - 00;52;30;05
Tom Green
They they've got to reach a settlement with Chris and do what the angels did with Rendon. And just you're 40 man is an important every spot on that should be precious. And you have a guy sitting there who's never going to play again.
00;52;30;05 - 00;52;37;21
Darren McKee
Here's the truth about this season. The goal this season should be to not lose 100 games, right?
00;52;37;21 - 00;52;39;01
Tom Green
You can't say that out loud, though.
00;52;39;01 - 00;52;57;14
Darren McKee
They can't. They cannot say that out loud. But they're going to be calling like, I don't know if you caught this, but the pitching coach is going to be calling pitches from the from the dugout. Okay. Your manager in baseball, I don't know, man. Like, I wasn't a big fan of just rinsing and repeating and that.
00;52;57;17 - 00;53;12;20
Darren McKee
But they've changed like everything else. So if they they like them, then, you know, fine. Baseball is a weird sport. Like as a manager, you just got to execute what is being developed for you and just be a good dude to the guys in the locker room.
00;53;12;26 - 00;53;19;24
Tom Green
The best. It will get to Judge Warren Schaefer this year and watch him work with the tools that he has.
00;53;19;24 - 00;53;36;25
Darren McKee
But but it's going to be laid out for Schaefer like. And everybody seems to like Warren. I didn't like the move to keep him because I think you need to shake things up. And I wanted a guy who spoke Spanish because I think communicating with your team is a big deal. And there's so many Spanish speaking players that I thought that would be a useful skill to have.
00;53;36;29 - 00;53;57;07
Darren McKee
However, they've sort of taken care of things behind the scenes. They've replaced almost every single coach, every single personnel person. So I really do like the things they've done. And now we'll see if they can, lose less than 100 games. But the truth of the matter is, there's a lockout coming like a year down the road, and baseball itself has to.
00;53;57;10 - 00;54;17;14
Darren McKee
Dick Monfort is not wrong. I mean, you need to have some sort of even playing skill. So all the teams can be relatively competitive with each other. But when you see smaller market teams succeed, like Cleveland did, or even Arizona, which is probably comparable to to Colorado, you say all right, well, that excuse only goes like so far.
00;54;17;16 - 00;54;25;04
Darren McKee
But so far, so good. We'll see. Tom, I do love the Rockies. I'm addicted to baseball. I can't get it out of my system.
00;54;25;04 - 00;54;43;29
Tom Green
When I was a kid, young, young boy. And just deciding I wanted to be a sports fan of everything. I was living in New York City, and I became a fan of the the Giants, the football team, the Yankees, the Rangers and the Knicks. They were all horrible. When I started to become a fan. The Giants had their championship.
00;54;43;29 - 00;55;03;27
Tom Green
Years had come and gone. The Yankees last played in a World Series in 64. I was a couple of years after that. The Knicks, they weren't any good and the Rangers in a six team league couldn't win a Stanley Cup for, you know, decades. So when they all did in fact achieve anything, it felt so good. It was so rewarding.
00;55;04;03 - 00;55;26;08
Tom Green
You as a Boston Red Sox fan, you know, you live that that fate you knew you would never win until you did. And I think about that. The Rockies fans, you know, and many, you know, lover October in 2007 I just love the team because they love the team. It's our team. It's going to be great when it does happen and it may happen in three years.
00;55;26;08 - 00;55;27;25
Tom Green
It may happen in 23 years.
00;55;27;25 - 00;55;52;04
Darren McKee
It feels like, the tail of time past. When I tell people about 2007. Yeah. Because we have so many new people have moved to Colorado. And since 2007, the Avs, Nuggets and Broncos have all won championships, which is wild next to the Broncos winning in 20 1516. The most excited I've seen this fan base was 2007.
00;55;52;04 - 00;56;13;21
Darren McKee
For the Rockies, more so than the nuggets in the Avs, which is insane. I've never seen LoDo like it was during that time and I don't know if you want to concur with me on that or not, but it's not that the nuggets as winning wasn't special. It absolutely was. Sure. But but this is a sneaky big baseball area.
00;56;13;23 - 00;56;18;08
Darren McKee
And and I want that back in I, I can't wait to see it.
00;56;18;09 - 00;56;36;08
Tom Green
That also goes with the altitude thing. I always thought, you know, that the Rockies never took advantage of it. They never embraced it and said, oh, you don't want to come here. You do not want to pitch here at Coors Field. They go, we don't want to pitch here at Coors Field. We don't know what we're doing. And we think it sucks.
00;56;36;08 - 00;56;48;25
Tom Green
We can't figure out how big to make the stadium. We can't figure out a humidor. We, you know, all these things that we're doing instead of making it this mystery for every team that comes to town and tell them, yeah, we know what we're doing and you don't, can.
00;56;48;25 - 00;57;07;25
Darren McKee
I give you something they need to do a little bit better? Just a little. Do you like Kyle Freeland? Yeah. Okay. You know what? High school you went to TJ? Okay. So two years ago, the Major league baseball, they had a draft. Harry Gustin, Ethan Sloane and Nolan Sparks were all drafted. I know you've not heard of any of these names.
00;57;07;27 - 00;57;31;16
Darren McKee
Well, Harry Gustin went to Smoke Hill High School. Ethan Sloane and, and Nolan Spiers both went to Cherokee Trail. They were drafted, all three of them drafted. I'm not just talking about and these are kids that I coached that I know, okay. The Rockies never talked to them. They never considered them. And so I'm not just talking about, hey, he might be a good high school kid or I'm talking about guys who were drafted.
00;57;31;22 - 00;57;59;04
Darren McKee
Ethan Sloane went to college right up the road off federal. He was drafted. Harry Gustin is with the Padres organization. He was drafted and was a star at the University of Hawaii. And Nolan Sparks really impressive story goes to a Division three school, works his ass off and is a star in the Cape Cod League. Is drafted. Why are three kids who grew up in Colorado and who are all drafted by other teams, not even sniffed at by the Rockies?
00;57;59;04 - 00;58;10;27
Darren McKee
Now that's a past, you know, organization sort of thing. But Tom, wouldn't it makes sense that you at least have a bead on the kids like Kyle Freeland, who are here in Colorado?
00;58;10;27 - 00;58;13;11
Tom Green
It's kind of like the Josh Allen workout.
00;58;13;14 - 00;58;21;28
Darren McKee
Exactly. So start at home by the way you two prime. There's good football players here in the state of Colorado my friend.
00;58;21;28 - 00;58;31;10
Tom Green
That's what I want to ask you about next. Is is Jim Moore a junior coming to town? Is he is he going to usurp Prime as far as coaching in the state?
00;58;31;10 - 00;58;32;20
Darren McKee
Well, he'll he'll be in living rooms.
00;58;32;20 - 00;58;33;27
Tom Green
My man recruiting in this.
00;58;33;27 - 00;58;49;03
Darren McKee
He'll he'll be he'll be knocking on doors. He already has. Yeah. He already has. He was down in valor. He was with Mac McChesney at his football gym down there. He's been around and prime. My man. Like I wish for the best. I'm. Where am I? I'm a.
00;58;49;03 - 00;58;49;26
Tom Green
Proud buff. Gear.
00;58;49;26 - 00;59;10;17
Darren McKee
I got my buff gear on. I'm a proud buff dad as I am a sun devil dad as well. But I'm a proud. I'm currently paying. See you so let's go, let's go buffs. But why wouldn't Prime be more? You know, you know who? The best quarterback prospect ever in the state of Colorado. You know, that's Titus Seward who plays at valor right now okay.
00;59;10;17 - 00;59;19;29
Darren McKee
Who just got offered by Oregon. So why hasn't Prime made his way down to Valor Christian High School to check out six foot six Titus Seward, the son of Brock.
00;59;19;29 - 00;59;21;07
Tom Green
You rocks. Yeah.
00;59;21;09 - 00;59;24;24
Darren McKee
We're not interested in guys like that. No, we're not not curious, at least.
00;59;24;24 - 00;59;37;10
Tom Green
So what? I mean, so what do you think? What is the, Because I've always felt there is a blind. I turn pro teams to Colorado and regional athletes. They go, man, it's just that guy who plays up the road.
00;59;37;11 - 00;59;58;02
Darren McKee
But for Tom, we have Roger Rosengard who's the starting right guard for the Ravens. Went to Washington and he's a local kid. I mean I get it. You don't have to, you know, just be have pity for kids just because they're from Colorado. But we've we've got this unbelievable history of great college football athletes.
00;59;58;02 - 01;00;07;17
Tom Green
So I was here when, one of the first things I did when I got to town in 1982, they sent me up to see you to go to spring football practice. Chuck Fairbanks was still the crowd.
01;00;07;17 - 01;00;08;11
Darren McKee
Well, there you go.
01;00;08;11 - 01;00;28;03
Tom Green
So I was pretty nervous. I'm awfully young, and Chuck's pretty well known for being a prickly man. Yeah. So we're standing there. The live shot never happened because it was so windy. The microwave dish wouldn't work. So he says, you know, he was polite about it, but he says, okay, well, I'm out. And so he leaves. A couple weeks later, he gets fired or whatever, how that went.
01;00;28;05 - 01;00;39;07
Tom Green
And then they go and get Bill McCartney. And it took there's a process to that that I won't go into, but they end up with Bill McCartney. So I develop into the prep sports reporter at Nine News.
01;00;39;07 - 01;00;39;27
Darren McKee
Okay.
01;00;39;29 - 01;00;59;28
Tom Green
And Bill McCartney became the guy who got the Colorado kids to stay as first class. Eric McCartney, the fullback from Boulder, and John Embry, the teacher. Yep, yep. And he got those guys to come. And that's how he became began recruiting was to recruit in-state. And later, of course, he'd have Louisiana and Texas and California.
01;00;59;28 - 01;01;12;17
Darren McKee
Want to cover it all, but you at least want to give the best kids in this state who really could play anywhere. You want to give them a reason to be here, but you want to cover everything. You shouldn't be ignoring it, though.
01;01;12;17 - 01;01;29;01
Tom Green
But you also have a chance then, to establish the one thing that's the hardest thing to establish now. And that's some sort of culture. Yes, because with Nil and Portal. Yeah. You know this to mercenary group that just came in for a year and I don't know, the guy who plays on the left to me or the right of me, but he's making more than I am or he's making, hey.
01;01;29;01 - 01;01;43;22
Darren McKee
By the way, don't be a walk on it. See you and be late for a meeting. Good luck. Yeah, because I know of my kid who's, a senior up there and. See, you had to scramble for $500. We can't get him to pay a $40 parking ticket. Like, you know, it would be rough, but. But that's what they're doing now.
01;01;43;22 - 01;01;45;07
Darren McKee
Prime is going to do fine, kids.
01;01;45;08 - 01;01;48;08
Tom Green
How do you see Prime this year? It's success growth.
01;01;48;08 - 01;02;09;09
Darren McKee
I you know Tom who knows you I have no idea with college football anymore. It seems like if you got enough money, you could buy a championship. I guess, we're going to be two years away from Schrader and Travis. So this is really. And obviously the Louis is gone. Everybody's gone. So. But but it's not like other changes haven't happened at other schools too.
01;02;09;14 - 01;02;29;16
Darren McKee
So to a weird degree, everybody does start at kind of zero because you really honest to God don't know. So I always hope for the best. I always bowl for you. I'm glad Prime is here is the coach. But it was a rough year last year and I you know, I asked him, after another blowout against, I think it was Arizona, and I said, what do you say to recruits?
01;02;29;19 - 01;02;48;13
Darren McKee
And he goes, well, are you a dog or a cat? And I'm like, what does that mean? So, so what Jordan Seton now is a is a cat, apparently because he's taken $8 million or whatever to go play at LSU. Now that ain't the truth, man. You got to win and you got to be active in recruiting. And it'll be interesting with Jim Mora here in, Prime's backyard.
01;02;48;13 - 01;02;49;19
Darren McKee
It'll it'll be interesting.
01;02;49;19 - 01;03;14;24
Tom Green
So this this takes me to one last thing. It was the always love the NCAA basketball tournament. I always loved the college basketball season. And this past Saturday was supposed to be the big breakout for college basketball. No more football in the way. Yeah, they owned Saturday. I didn't watch any. And I can name I think I can name 3 or 4 kids playing college basketball right now, the top three players in the nation.
01;03;14;27 - 01;03;26;28
Tom Green
And I don't even know kids who play for Colorado, Colorado State. I mean, I what happened to college basketball because this is nil and Portland guys are one and done and off to the pros. I mean is it do you watch Tom.
01;03;26;29 - 01;03;42;07
Darren McKee
If you can name 3 or 4 guys, that's 3 or 4 more guys that I can name. So so good on you. That's a great question I don't know, I mean, I went to Syracuse College basketball was king. Sure. So I've been a college basketball fan for a long time, and I don't know I don't know what any of the story is.
01;03;42;07 - 01;03;58;01
Darren McKee
Now, here's here's what I think on that real quick. I think they should get rid of the one and done rule. I think if you're good enough to go pro, you should. And and if you did that, you'd probably have kids that were really special. Just go to the NBA and and that's happening anyways because these kids are going to Europe or whatever.
01;03;58;01 - 01;04;14;22
Darren McKee
They're they're not even bothering with college. But if you were to do that, then likely you'd have more kids just stay in college. And if they stayed longer, you would get to know them. But but it's a it's a large leap from college, even the best of college players to the NBA. It's really, really hard to do it.
01;04;14;24 - 01;04;29;10
Darren McKee
It's what makes the NBA so unbelievably special because it is a worldwide sport and it's hard to make that leap. I don't know, Tom. It's a good question. I welcome good, exciting college basketball here. I know when the NCAA tournament came here, it was sold out.
01;04;29;10 - 01;04;29;24
Tom Green
So much.
01;04;29;24 - 01;04;41;03
Darren McKee
Fun. It was so much fun. I loved covering it. I've always loved covering the tournament, to be sold out at Ball Arena for schools that I don't know who. Nobody's really connected to is awesome.
01;04;41;04 - 01;04;45;02
Tom Green
It's the all time rooting for laundry. No, I mean, you really don't even know.
01;04;45;04 - 01;04;52;21
Darren McKee
Here's the problem with all of college sports, Tom. If you dig too deep, if you really do, you really want to know how that sausage is made.
01;04;52;21 - 01;05;04;24
Tom Green
You're not going to like what you find in there. Correct. So well, Darren, I appreciate you coming by. I love our chances to get together and talk and, this has been fun. And, I'll always be there at noon to three listening to you guys on the radio.
01;05;04;25 - 01;05;09;03
Darren McKee
You're my guy, all right, buddy, you're my guy.
01;05;09;06 - 01;05;29;18
Tom Green
Thanks again to Darren McKee for joining us here today. Always fun listening to Dimock and having sat in the chair, having done sports talk radio, it's it's always fun to to think about what's going through their minds as they have these discussions. And, I always remember, when I did the show with Doug Moe, we called him hockey Doug.
01;05;29;18 - 01;05;51;22
Tom Green
The avalanche had just come to town, and obviously Doug knew nothing about hockey. I, I used to say he he asked me what color the blue line was. So, one day, a caller calls in and starts screaming at Doug, saying, Doug doesn't know anything about hockey. So Doug challenges him in an only way Doug would. He busters and says, ask me any question.
01;05;51;22 - 01;06;09;14
Tom Green
And the guy says, you didn't even know the backup goalie for Calgary who was in town that night or something. So I immediately write down the guy's name and put it in front of Doug. Doug says it right, like then and there, and the guy kind of backs down like, geez, I didn't know Doug knew that. So we got away with it.
01;06;09;16 - 01;06;28;07
Tom Green
We go to the, Arena or Rockies game the next day or something. And Irv Brown walks over to Doug and goes, Doug, I had no idea you knew so much about hockey. And Doug, to his mistake, came clean. He told Irv that that I'd written it down for him. But, radio. Always fun behind the curtain. Thanks for joining us.
01;06;28;09 - 01;06;33;28
Tom Green
I hope you enjoyed this edition of the other Tom green show. We, hope to be back here again with you next week.